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Nanny state in football? Right or wrong?

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Nanny state in football? Right or wrong?

Post by Topdawg on Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:47 pm

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39267314
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Post by Moonchester on Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:18 pm

it makes sense if they are getting changet etc..
but kitted up and being excited is fine
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Post by Topdawg on Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:35 pm

I agree Moony. Yes, there's line somewhere, but the kids are all changed and they want their moment.
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Post by blueboy on Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:38 pm

But it's not fine.....there are clear rules laid down by the FA for adolescents being filmed unless all concerned are approached and full consent is given - full stop. 

I've been the Child Welfare Officer at our youth football team for 7 years and it's pretty much a given, that you cannot film at youth games or take photos, unless the club and the parents have consented to it.

In theory, of course it's a nice thing for the kids etc.....but would the parents have been that consenting and appeasing if a video came out online, filmed by somebody they didn't know, of their kids? Probably not.

So for me, yes, we can call it a nanny state - but we only have to listen to what happened recently at football clubs, to understand why kids of this age need protection to a certain degree - granted, they weren't naked, but rules are rules and the Manager should have known better.

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Post by Topdawg on Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:54 pm

PC gone mad
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Post by blueboy on Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:13 pm

Disagree.

In light of what's happened in a society of football clubs in the 70's and 80's, when we all thought "hey, the good old days, wish we could be back there now, it was so much better"......

we've learnt that in fact, those decades were rife with paedophiles, getting away with abuse, rape, assault on innocent kids. The Authorities and society turned a blind eye and just said "oh well, it happens".........I'm sorry, but what happened to the likes of Andy Woodward, David White as an example, isn't right. 

Ask them whether they think our society has gone too PC on these issues or whether these 'rules', that have been in place for years before these offences became public knowledge by these brave guys, should have been around in the 70's and 80's....and I know what they would say.

Now, I'm not for minute suggesting there's any correlation between what happened to them and this photograph, but the rules were brought in to protect minors, just the same as you haven't been able to photograph kids in school plays, at school sports events - without permission.

Yes, it's shit for the majority of responsible adults and parents, but it's designed to protect those vulnerable kids who the sick fuckers of this world get access to....be that via a video, photo or when a parent hands over their children to a adult who is supposed to look after them like their parent would.

So sorry, I'm all for the anti-PC brigade and have voiced my opinion on this before, but having attending many Child Protection courses, I fully understand why there are these rules for children.

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Post by shakencity on Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:22 pm

Rules are rules and tbh he should have known better.
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Post by Topdawg on Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:23 pm

But it's supposed to be for children getting changed. These were in their kits. If the parents agree to the photo, what's the problem?
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Post by blueboy on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:29 pm

Topdawg wrote:But it's supposed to be for children getting changed. These were in their kits. If the parents agree to the photo, what's the problem?

No, it's not 'supposed' to be for children getting changed.....it's a standard FA rule that you CANNOT photograph or film any minors, be that in a dressing room or on the pitch, without the the parents of all concerned's permission. It's a standard rule Dawg that's been in for years....this Manager just decided to let emotion take control of his responsibilities for the welfare of the kids.....as much as we all would like to say "but it's clearly innocent".....ask the parents of Andy Woodward what they thought when he and many other players were gathering at Barry Bennell's house after training.

Yes, I completely understand the fact that 95% of the time it's innocent and a celebration of the kids being able to play at The Etihad, I get that.....and it's totally shit that we have to do these type of things. However, the rules have been brought in to protect the minority, those potentially exposed to these fucking bastards that prey on kids, get off at simple things like kids in shorts etc etc, as sick and twisted as it sounds.

Ask yourself this. If your kids were in a park with a friend or someone you know who was looking after them, and they came home to tell you that a man in his 40's was videoing them and taking photo's of them whilst they were playing on the swings....how would you react?

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Post by Topdawg on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:38 pm

I did say that if all the parents agreed to the photo.
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Post by blueboy on Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:52 pm

Topdawg wrote:I did say that if all the parents agreed to the photo.

But he didn't ask permission - he said he had support from the parents over this, not that they had been asked and agreed to taking photos. Also, as the article link you posted states, it's clearly against FA rules....so why do it???

It's like a Manager breaking the rules on saying "the ref was biased" in a post match interview, then when he's fined and banned from the touchline, saying "but most of the fans agree with me".

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Post by Topdawg on Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:51 pm

I take your points on board. In this day and ages it's better not to look at shades of grey.
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