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Do you agree?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34872166
Personally i don't.
As said on previous threads regarding the Turkish fans "booing", as they may have felt they never got shown any recognition around the world for the terrorist attacks in Ankara. Nothing was done when the Russian aircraft was shot down either...and that killed 224.
What happens if ISIS blow up a shopping centre in Germany next, or America, or Italy.....do we keep having national anthems played every other week?
I guess we all see things differently and people will have their own opinions on this (which is fine) and i'm not saying this to wind anyone on here up, i just think our Country has shown enough "solidarity & remembrance" over the past few days.....time to move on!
Personally i don't.
As said on previous threads regarding the Turkish fans "booing", as they may have felt they never got shown any recognition around the world for the terrorist attacks in Ankara. Nothing was done when the Russian aircraft was shot down either...and that killed 224.
What happens if ISIS blow up a shopping centre in Germany next, or America, or Italy.....do we keep having national anthems played every other week?
I guess we all see things differently and people will have their own opinions on this (which is fine) and i'm not saying this to wind anyone on here up, i just think our Country has shown enough "solidarity & remembrance" over the past few days.....time to move on!
shakencity- Cult Hero
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Neither agree nor disagree really.
But I personally don't think it is needed as you say above.
But I personally don't think it is needed as you say above.
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I think we did the right thing in the international match. This is a bit too far and people are saying it's just the PL trying to promote itself a little extra.
I think black armbands and a minutes silence would have been enough.
I think black armbands and a minutes silence would have been enough.
Topdawg- Legend
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Tend to agree with Dawg, black armbands and a minutes silence would be sufficiently respectful after what we did on Tues.
As for the Turkish fans Den, one massive thing is being missed here about the Ankara attacks...Turkey promoted free passage to those very terrorists, allowing them to use Turkey as a border crossing point into Syria. Turkish military are arming ISIS fighters in the North, so when something happens like the Ankara attack, they want a minutes silence and help from the West?
As for the Turkish fans Den, one massive thing is being missed here about the Ankara attacks...Turkey promoted free passage to those very terrorists, allowing them to use Turkey as a border crossing point into Syria. Turkish military are arming ISIS fighters in the North, so when something happens like the Ankara attack, they want a minutes silence and help from the West?
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Fajr Ibrahim, coach of the Syrian national team, answered the journalist in broken English, better to get his point across. ‘We stand now for 30 seconds for French,’ he said, ‘but all Syrian people killed, no one stand one second. You have to know this.’
An official from the Singapore Football Association cut across, asking that no further political statements be made.
‘He asked, I answered,’ said Ibrahim, and sat, glaring. His team, rendered homeless by civil war, had defeated Singapore to claim second place in their World Cup qualifying group. The Asian Football Confederation had decreed that, before all matches, silence would be observed in memory of the victims of terror in Paris. Ibrahim was agitated. There are 250,000 dead in Syria’s four-year conflict; 11 million have been displaced. Where was their memorial?
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Tricolore flags were waved in the Wembley stands as fans showed solidarity with France after the attacks
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La Marseillaise, the French national anthem, will be played ahead of this weekend's Premier League games
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France and England players observe a minute's silence before Wembley friendly in respect of Paris victims
It is a question that grows ever more pertinent. This weekend, the French national anthem, La Marseillaise, will be played before all Premier League games.
Many English clubs have French associations; there are two French coaches in the Premier League and, of the 23-man France squad selected for the international in England this week, nine were based here.
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Richard Scudamore, the chief executive of the Premier League, believes this commemoration is the right and respectful thing to do and it will pass beautifully. Let us hope so.
Already, though, there is a different mood to that which greeted the Football Association’s moving and considered response to France’s visit to Wembley.
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Syria coach Fajr Ibrahim has reminded there were no memorials for those who lost their lives in his country
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Wembley formed a vast Tricolore as fans held up paper banners in the blue, white and red of the French flag
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Police watch fans arrive at Wembley, with security in grounds across the country to be tightened this weekend
Ibrahim is no longer alone in raising the matter of equivalency. Where, it is being asked, is the tribute to the victims of terror on the Russian aircraft Metrojet Flight 9268? When does football pause to consider the 43 killed in Beirut by an ISIS terror attack, the day before the Paris atrocity? When will an-našid al-wataniyy al-lubnaniyy, the Lebanese national anthem, be heard at Premier League football grounds in a gesture of solidarity?
Events at Wembley on Tuesday night felt entirely appropriate. There had been an attack at an international football match in France. Here was the French national team, standing defiant, just four days later.
A tribute was made, by the officials, the teams and the fans, and impeccably observed. The sports news-paper L’Equipe put two words on its front page: Thank You.
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Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger (right) is one of several managers to support the anthem being played
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Laurent Koscielny (left) and Hugo Lloris are two of 72 Frenchmen currently plying their trade in the top flight
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England captain Wayne Rooney shakes hands with Arsenal's Koscielny after the emotional game
There is no doubt everyone inside the stadium felt a genuine connection to the visitors and the trauma of the previous days. It was a very powerful occasion, and very moving.
Will the same be said after this weekend? How does what happened in Paris intersect with Swansea City versus Bournemouth? And why is it more meaningful to those attending Southampton against Stoke City than to other British citizens going about their day?
An attack in Paris is closer to home, and less frequent than violent death in the Middle East. We are more conditioned to tales of horror from the region, and desensitised. Yet should we make that so plain?
Isn’t a root of tension the perception that the West shows casual disregard for human life outside its cossetted communities?
‘We fight all terrorists, Syria fight all terrorist groups,’ said Ibrahim as his hosts tried to smother his slogans. ‘We kill all terrorists around the world.’
The postscript was clear: yet the West just cares for its own.
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Roy Hodgson (left) sings La Marseillaise alongside Prince William (centre) and France boss Didier Deschamps
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Premier League executive chairman Richard Scudamore believes latest gesture will pass peacefully
Premier League executives will have been moved by the horror of Paris, as we all were. It would be wrong to find this gesture less than sincere. Yet we also know English football is committed to its status as a global brand, that it guards its image and how it is perceived beyond these shores.
The cynical will believe this is more strategy, almost competitive emoting, and that scepticism may surface in behaviour that is less than thoughtful.
The fear here is that an act of genuine decency is now open to misinterpretation from all sides.
An official from the Singapore Football Association cut across, asking that no further political statements be made.
‘He asked, I answered,’ said Ibrahim, and sat, glaring. His team, rendered homeless by civil war, had defeated Singapore to claim second place in their World Cup qualifying group. The Asian Football Confederation had decreed that, before all matches, silence would be observed in memory of the victims of terror in Paris. Ibrahim was agitated. There are 250,000 dead in Syria’s four-year conflict; 11 million have been displaced. Where was their memorial?
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Tricolore flags were waved in the Wembley stands as fans showed solidarity with France after the attacks
+11
La Marseillaise, the French national anthem, will be played ahead of this weekend's Premier League games
+11
France and England players observe a minute's silence before Wembley friendly in respect of Paris victims
It is a question that grows ever more pertinent. This weekend, the French national anthem, La Marseillaise, will be played before all Premier League games.
Many English clubs have French associations; there are two French coaches in the Premier League and, of the 23-man France squad selected for the international in England this week, nine were based here.
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Richard Scudamore, the chief executive of the Premier League, believes this commemoration is the right and respectful thing to do and it will pass beautifully. Let us hope so.
Already, though, there is a different mood to that which greeted the Football Association’s moving and considered response to France’s visit to Wembley.
+11
Syria coach Fajr Ibrahim has reminded there were no memorials for those who lost their lives in his country
+11
Wembley formed a vast Tricolore as fans held up paper banners in the blue, white and red of the French flag
+11
Police watch fans arrive at Wembley, with security in grounds across the country to be tightened this weekend
Ibrahim is no longer alone in raising the matter of equivalency. Where, it is being asked, is the tribute to the victims of terror on the Russian aircraft Metrojet Flight 9268? When does football pause to consider the 43 killed in Beirut by an ISIS terror attack, the day before the Paris atrocity? When will an-našid al-wataniyy al-lubnaniyy, the Lebanese national anthem, be heard at Premier League football grounds in a gesture of solidarity?
Events at Wembley on Tuesday night felt entirely appropriate. There had been an attack at an international football match in France. Here was the French national team, standing defiant, just four days later.
A tribute was made, by the officials, the teams and the fans, and impeccably observed. The sports news-paper L’Equipe put two words on its front page: Thank You.
+11
Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger (right) is one of several managers to support the anthem being played
+11
Laurent Koscielny (left) and Hugo Lloris are two of 72 Frenchmen currently plying their trade in the top flight
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England captain Wayne Rooney shakes hands with Arsenal's Koscielny after the emotional game
There is no doubt everyone inside the stadium felt a genuine connection to the visitors and the trauma of the previous days. It was a very powerful occasion, and very moving.
Will the same be said after this weekend? How does what happened in Paris intersect with Swansea City versus Bournemouth? And why is it more meaningful to those attending Southampton against Stoke City than to other British citizens going about their day?
An attack in Paris is closer to home, and less frequent than violent death in the Middle East. We are more conditioned to tales of horror from the region, and desensitised. Yet should we make that so plain?
Isn’t a root of tension the perception that the West shows casual disregard for human life outside its cossetted communities?
‘We fight all terrorists, Syria fight all terrorist groups,’ said Ibrahim as his hosts tried to smother his slogans. ‘We kill all terrorists around the world.’
The postscript was clear: yet the West just cares for its own.
+11
Roy Hodgson (left) sings La Marseillaise alongside Prince William (centre) and France boss Didier Deschamps
+11
Premier League executive chairman Richard Scudamore believes latest gesture will pass peacefully
Premier League executives will have been moved by the horror of Paris, as we all were. It would be wrong to find this gesture less than sincere. Yet we also know English football is committed to its status as a global brand, that it guards its image and how it is perceived beyond these shores.
The cynical will believe this is more strategy, almost competitive emoting, and that scepticism may surface in behaviour that is less than thoughtful.
The fear here is that an act of genuine decency is now open to misinterpretation from all sides.
Topdawg- Legend
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And this says it all:
Pro-Assad supporters wanting a memorial to the very people he's helped suppress and murder?
Pro-Assad supporters wanting a memorial to the very people he's helped suppress and murder?
blueboy- Legend
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All 3 (or more) 'sides' in Syria are doing atrocious stuff.
Topdawg- Legend
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We could always just nuke Syria and be done with it all
shakencity- Cult Hero
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Or if Corbyn ever gets in we can send them a letter ))
Moonchester- Key Player
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Yeah, he's being a right cock at the minuteMoonchester wrote:Or if Corbyn ever gets in we can send them a letter ))
shakencity- Cult Hero
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I want to stay away from the politics. fucked up world we live in
Topdawg- Legend
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so lets watch football.... oh, wait...Topdawg wrote:I want to stay away from the politics. fucked up world we live in
politics, religion, football..
3 things guaranteed to start a fight if you debate them when drunk )
Moonchester- Key Player
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depends who you are debating sex with surely?
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bluey's doctor
skyblueoz- Cult Hero
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the only debate I have over sex is should I bother trying or just stay watching telly :p
oh married life...
oh married life...
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as long as she remembers your birthday...skyblueoz wrote:at my age I have to remember to make an appointment with the wife.
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That's the day her headaches start.
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