The reward for failure.....

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8th??????

I don't think he's a failure so far. Maybe he could have done more, but the overall signs were of some improvement.
Not sure I'd have gone as far as offering him a new 6 yr deal though.

Topdawg wrote:I don't think he's a failure so far. Maybe he could have done more, but the overall signs were of some improvement.
Not sure I'd have gone as far as offering him a new 6 yr deal though.

LFC finished 6th in 2014-15 season. Klopp had almost a full season and a transfer window to improve the team. They finished 8th and lost 2 cup finals. I'd say last season was a failure.

They were in 10th when he took over and they finished 8th. Not much better, but better. Let's give him a full season, a proper transfer window and then we can make fun of the dippers again.

Topdawg wrote:They were in 10th when he took over and they finished 8th. Not much better, but better. Let's give him a full season, a proper transfer window and then we can make fun of the dippers again.

So you're saying he's over-hyped?

How's KL?

Amazes me today, reading all of the media stories about Pep's first PC.

Most take the stance he came across as slightly fearful of the PL, quoting all the 'negatives' from it.

I don't see it that way....I watched it and thought "wow...some honesty, calmness and a persona that oozes his complete faith in what he will do at City"

he's impressed me quite a bit so far.

KL was a bit messy to start with. Bastard hotel whacked the price up when we arrived (booked through booking.com) so we moved to another hotel we've stayed at before. We should be moving to a serviced appartment on Monday.

It's very hot and humid and just trying to get over the jet lag (I tend not to sleep at all on planes).

Kids activities start on Monday so I'll get the chance to get out and about myself.

I like Klopp & thought he was right to give it a till the end of the season to see how his players shaped up in the league. We all know the jan transfer window is the hardest to do business in as no clubs want to sell their best players mid season. He will now be judged by the way his team go's about the premier league this season with his players. Liverpool were going nowhere under Rodgers, Klopp had an immediate effect on the attitude of the players. I expect a much better Liverpool this year.

Loved pep's first press conference , was honest, did not bag other managers, & had no ego He clearly  laid out his vision for the future & his objectives. liked the bit about how good the youth players were, & what he expects from the players.

skyblueoz wrote:I like Klopp & thought he was right to give it a till the end of the season to see how his players shaped up in the league. We all know the jan transfer window is the hardest to do business in as no clubs want to sell their best players mid season. He will now be judged by the way his team go's about the premier league this season with his players. Liverpool were going nowhere under Rodgers, Klopp had an immediate effect on the attitude of the players. I expect a much better Liverpool this year.

My sons friend Ben Woodburn played for LFC last night against Tranmere....16 yrs of age!!

He's just signed his pro contract at LFC and has been training with Klopp and the first team all week.

As for Klopp, yes, he's a good manager.....but after spending £330m in the previous few seasons, he escapes criticism as the they're not his players. That's all my post was about...oh, and I know they weren't his signings.

so in essence then blue  he can't be deemed as a failure yet, as he hadn't spent the 330 million. As we have seen he doesn't rate Benteke whom the previous manager spent 32 million on Ings was injured before he arrived so that again is 10 million he was not able to utilize. ( it maybe the title of your post appeared to be saying he was rewarded for his failure)

skyblueoz wrote:so in essence then blue  he can't be deemed as a failure yet, as he hadn't spent the 330 million. As we have seen he doesn't rate Benteke whom the previous manager spent 32 million on Ings was injured before he arrived so that again is 10 million he was not able to utilize. ( it maybe the title of your post appeared to be saying he was rewarded for his failure)

Maybe failure is a bit strong - but can't think of anything else. I'm sure he was targeted to get LFC into Europe or win something....maybe?

However, you're talking about 2 players worth £42m....what about the other £280m+ worth of players at his disposal? The facts are the facts...they went from 6th to 8th in the PL. Yes, they got to two finals - and subsequently played shite in both and lost. That's as bad as not being in it at all.

When Klopp arrived, he had some of the following players at his disposal - yet finished off 2 places lower than Rogers. He had the Jan transfer window as well, but didn't buy.

Firmino - £29m
Clyne - £12m
Benteke - £32m
Can - £10m
Lalllana - £25m
Lovren - £20m
Markovic - £20m
Origi - £10m
Moreno - £12m
Sakho - £18m
Allen - £15m
Henderson - £16m
Coutinho - £8m

So...he lost 2 finals, he finished 2 places lower in the PL and he is rewarded with an extension of 6 years to his contract?
If they finish 10th and win fuck all again next season, will they offer him a 10 year deal?

I was listening to ex-players like John Aldridge saying "it's barmy.....why offer him anything, he's only been here a year? Offer him an extension if he actually wins something in the next couple of years"

Can't help thinking that Liverpool have done well to tie him to a new contract as he will i'm sure be a success. My mate a massive Liverpool fan was already for getting rid of Lovren, now since Klopp has been there he thinks he is a different player, so too Origi & Allen , Henderson was injured for the best part of the season Markovic was out on loan Can & Coutinho were ok Sakho is hit & Miss thren the drug scandal hit so he was missing. Firmino started to find some good form unfortunately AGAINST city & beyond.  

My mate rates Clyne  Lallana is an enigma he had some good games under Klopp & some poor ones he really needs to be more consistent. Liverpool's style changed to a more harrying type of game in which the opposition do not get time to dwell on the ball , that system was gradually having an effect. If Rogers had stayed I could see Liverpool ending up well down below half way in the table.

I doubt they will offer a 10 year deal, maybe another 5 to add on

When Rodgers left, Liverpool were 10th so finishing 8th is an improvement, no?

You could see signs if the incredible hard work they put in and that reaped it's own reward (look how Sagna got mugged for their first goals against us). Maybe they didn't have enough quality in the players to do too much more, but I think they'll finish a little higher than 8th next season.

OK...Klopp was a success and deserved his 6 year extension.

He didn't get a 6 year extension. His contract was extended to 6 years.

I wouldn't say he was a success likewise he wasn't a failure. What I think he did do was turn a disjointed team into a team with a lot of potential. They will be up there this season with the right signings & no European football to worry about.

I think Klopp's done ok and has made Loserpool into a better team, despite what the statistics show. Let him build a team over the next season or 2 and then judge him, but giving him a 6 year deal now is no big issue really...if one or both parties want to terminate the deal early it'll happen anyway.

This thread started off a bit of a piss take towards LFC...and what it's ended up with, is a love-in by 606 BMF members for Klopp!!

I'd hardly go that far Andy

shakencity wrote:I'd hardly go that far Andy

It's OK, if you love Klopp Den, then you love Klopp....

He was the one I would have chosen to replace pellegrini at the time prior to peps announcement. He was out of work & available. I like his all round demeanour. He is not dull like pel or arrogant like the moany one or taggart.

I have no problem saying I think he along with Ranieri are the more likeable managers in the prem.

Klopps a pervy manager....far too many ass-grabs.