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How on earth can Joe Hart be 3rd or 4th choice at City???
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How on earth can Joe Hart be 3rd or 4th choice at City???
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39224757
Joe Hart: I want to say it was really bad but it wasn't because I saw it coming.
SB: From the moment Guardiola walked through the door?
JH: No but you just pick up vibes and it certainly wasn't a surprise to me. It was something that I wanted to change and felt I was more than capable of changing but to get results he needed to have a team he felt comfortable with and a team he wanted.
I didn't fall into that category and that's no problem. I'd have loved to have stayed and fought and shown what I can do but I don't have that time. You don't have that time to do it - especially as a goalkeeper. You can't come off the bench for 10 minutes and prove your worth - it's either you're in or you're out.
I'm up for a fight, I'll fight my corner all day but if you're not going to win then there is no point in fighting, especially someone as powerful as that at Manchester City.
I know it's nothing personal on me, he's not that kind of guy.
SB: Do you respect his honesty?
JH: Yes of course. He did what he had to do, he did what he felt was right. He didn't do it to ruin my life, he did it because he thought that was what was right for him to win as a manager. So I had to look elsewhere and here I am.
SB: What did you say when your agent said Torino were interested?
JH: I said, 'Look into it.' I didn't have many options - things happened very late with Manchester City. For a goalkeeper that's difficult, everyone is pretty settled with goalkeepers, it's an early bit of business and there is only one spot.
My name wasn't necessarily out in the transfer market because people probably presumed that I would be at Manchester City - like I did. But I wasn't going to play at Manchester City, that was pretty obvious - I was third, if not fourth choice at the time so I wanted to play football and Torino gave me the opportunity and I just thought, 'I'm going to go for it.'
SB: There will be Manchester City fans thinking, 'Will you ever play for our team again?'
JH: I'd say I'm pretty much surplus to requirements at my parent club at the moment.
SB: Do you see that changing?
JH: Not really. I've got to be realistic. I love that club and I've always said that as long as they wanted me, I would be there.
But I was always cautious when I said that because I'm aware that at the big, big clubs stuff can change quickly as can opinions and people in charge. Not everyone is going to like you, not everyone is going to want to play you and that's the business side of it, which I've grown into and I'm certainly not going to take personally.
I want to play football, I love to play football so if that opportunity is not going to be given there then I'm going to have to look elsewhere and may have to make somewhere else my home.
SB: Where you at in terms of a transfer at the moment?
JH: It's frustrating to see my name thrown around so much when I'm just trying to get on with what I'm doing for now and then whatever needs to be taken care of will hopefully be taken care of one way or another.
I've still got a parent club that I need to respect and I need to work with. I understand that's the football business now, everyone has got an opinion, a small comment can be used in an article. I don't know where my future lies - I've certainly had no communication with anyone.
The best thing I can do is work hard, be ready to train every day, do my best for Torino, do my best when I represent my country and then hopefully the rest will take care of itself.
SB: How important is it for you to be playing regular football next season to keep your position as England goalkeeper?
JH: [England boss] Gareth Southgate is not the kind of guy to say, 'You need to be doing this or that or you're out.' He's such a positive, interesting person. He came out to see me out here, which was good of him, just for an afternoon, just to check in and he wants what's best for the country. The only way I can be a part of that is if I'm playing well, playing regularly and improving.
We've got some really good, strong English keepers at the moment. I'd like to think we're pushing each other and if my levels drop then I'm gone and I understand that. I don't need any threats, I know how the game works as I've been a part of it for a while now.
SB: As a goalkeeper do you have to wait for someone to leave a club for a place to go?
JH: Yes, unfortunately. Especially the top teams because every top team has got at least one top keeper. You need people to move, managers to change, you need something to happen for something to happen. You can't just charge in somewhere.
SB: Would returning to the Premier League be top of your wish list?
JH: I'm open. I love the Premier League, I absolutely love Premier League games. Removing myself a footballer, I watch the Premier League. It's a great league, fantastic football is played in it.
I know it really well but I wouldn't say it was top of my wishlist. Top of my wishlist is to play for a club that wants me to be their goalkeeper.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39224757
Hart on Man City, England and the future
Match of the Day commentator Steve Bower: How difficult was it to discover Pep Guardiola didn't want to make you number one and you would have to go somewhere else?Joe Hart: I want to say it was really bad but it wasn't because I saw it coming.
SB: From the moment Guardiola walked through the door?
JH: No but you just pick up vibes and it certainly wasn't a surprise to me. It was something that I wanted to change and felt I was more than capable of changing but to get results he needed to have a team he felt comfortable with and a team he wanted.
I didn't fall into that category and that's no problem. I'd have loved to have stayed and fought and shown what I can do but I don't have that time. You don't have that time to do it - especially as a goalkeeper. You can't come off the bench for 10 minutes and prove your worth - it's either you're in or you're out.
I'm up for a fight, I'll fight my corner all day but if you're not going to win then there is no point in fighting, especially someone as powerful as that at Manchester City.
I know it's nothing personal on me, he's not that kind of guy.
SB: Do you respect his honesty?
JH: Yes of course. He did what he had to do, he did what he felt was right. He didn't do it to ruin my life, he did it because he thought that was what was right for him to win as a manager. So I had to look elsewhere and here I am.
SB: What did you say when your agent said Torino were interested?
JH: I said, 'Look into it.' I didn't have many options - things happened very late with Manchester City. For a goalkeeper that's difficult, everyone is pretty settled with goalkeepers, it's an early bit of business and there is only one spot.
My name wasn't necessarily out in the transfer market because people probably presumed that I would be at Manchester City - like I did. But I wasn't going to play at Manchester City, that was pretty obvious - I was third, if not fourth choice at the time so I wanted to play football and Torino gave me the opportunity and I just thought, 'I'm going to go for it.'
SB: There will be Manchester City fans thinking, 'Will you ever play for our team again?'
JH: I'd say I'm pretty much surplus to requirements at my parent club at the moment.
SB: Do you see that changing?
JH: Not really. I've got to be realistic. I love that club and I've always said that as long as they wanted me, I would be there.
But I was always cautious when I said that because I'm aware that at the big, big clubs stuff can change quickly as can opinions and people in charge. Not everyone is going to like you, not everyone is going to want to play you and that's the business side of it, which I've grown into and I'm certainly not going to take personally.
I want to play football, I love to play football so if that opportunity is not going to be given there then I'm going to have to look elsewhere and may have to make somewhere else my home.
SB: Where you at in terms of a transfer at the moment?
JH: It's frustrating to see my name thrown around so much when I'm just trying to get on with what I'm doing for now and then whatever needs to be taken care of will hopefully be taken care of one way or another.
I've still got a parent club that I need to respect and I need to work with. I understand that's the football business now, everyone has got an opinion, a small comment can be used in an article. I don't know where my future lies - I've certainly had no communication with anyone.
The best thing I can do is work hard, be ready to train every day, do my best for Torino, do my best when I represent my country and then hopefully the rest will take care of itself.
SB: How important is it for you to be playing regular football next season to keep your position as England goalkeeper?
JH: [England boss] Gareth Southgate is not the kind of guy to say, 'You need to be doing this or that or you're out.' He's such a positive, interesting person. He came out to see me out here, which was good of him, just for an afternoon, just to check in and he wants what's best for the country. The only way I can be a part of that is if I'm playing well, playing regularly and improving.
We've got some really good, strong English keepers at the moment. I'd like to think we're pushing each other and if my levels drop then I'm gone and I understand that. I don't need any threats, I know how the game works as I've been a part of it for a while now.
SB: As a goalkeeper do you have to wait for someone to leave a club for a place to go?
JH: Yes, unfortunately. Especially the top teams because every top team has got at least one top keeper. You need people to move, managers to change, you need something to happen for something to happen. You can't just charge in somewhere.
SB: Would returning to the Premier League be top of your wish list?
JH: I'm open. I love the Premier League, I absolutely love Premier League games. Removing myself a footballer, I watch the Premier League. It's a great league, fantastic football is played in it.
I know it really well but I wouldn't say it was top of my wishlist. Top of my wishlist is to play for a club that wants me to be their goalkeeper.
Topdawg- Legend
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Re: How on earth can Joe Hart be 3rd or 4th choice at City???
It was the Chelsea game that Kev missed the open goal.
I also think we've been a little unlucky at times at the back with deflections going to opponents who slot home.
I wouldn't mind but Bravo's positioning for one on ones is terrible. He's beaten far too easily by standing in the wrong place.
I am confident Joe would have saved a decent proportion of those goals in Nov/Dec but he'd have made some mistakes of his own for sure.
We'll never know what difference he'd have made, but I really think we'd have a few more points and let in fewer goals. Maybe Everton would have beaten us 2-0 instead of 4-0, or he'd have kept us in games so that we could have won rather than draw them. We can't be definite. But we all know what we see with our own eyes. Joe is better than Willy who's better than Bravo.
Maybe Bravo will be better next season. But Willy hasn't signed a new contract. Don't even know if he's been offered a new contract. With Gunn being touted for a loan, will we get a new number one next season and a Bravo drops to number 2? Or becomes a cup keeper?
I also think we've been a little unlucky at times at the back with deflections going to opponents who slot home.
I wouldn't mind but Bravo's positioning for one on ones is terrible. He's beaten far too easily by standing in the wrong place.
I am confident Joe would have saved a decent proportion of those goals in Nov/Dec but he'd have made some mistakes of his own for sure.
We'll never know what difference he'd have made, but I really think we'd have a few more points and let in fewer goals. Maybe Everton would have beaten us 2-0 instead of 4-0, or he'd have kept us in games so that we could have won rather than draw them. We can't be definite. But we all know what we see with our own eyes. Joe is better than Willy who's better than Bravo.
Maybe Bravo will be better next season. But Willy hasn't signed a new contract. Don't even know if he's been offered a new contract. With Gunn being touted for a loan, will we get a new number one next season and a Bravo drops to number 2? Or becomes a cup keeper?
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Topdawg wrote:It was the Chelsea game that Kev missed the open goal.
I know....I meant, in another game, he would have slotted that in (meaning if we played them again).
I also think we've been a little unlucky at times at the back with deflections going to opponents who slot home.
I wouldn't mind but Bravo's positioning for one on ones is terrible. He's beaten far too easily by standing in the wrong place.
Unlucky or just poor defending?
I am confident Joe would have saved a decent proportion of those goals in Nov/Dec but he'd have made some mistakes of his own for sure.
We'll never know what difference he'd have made, but I really think we'd have a few more points and let in fewer goals. Maybe Everton would have beaten us 2-0 instead of 4-0, or he'd have kept us in games so that we could have won rather than draw them. We can't be definite. But we all know what we see with our own eyes. Joe is better than Willy who's better than Bravo.
Disagree. Willy and Bravo's kicking is immensely better than Joe's - which is what Pep wants. But I agree, Joe is by far a better shot stopper....so I guess it depends on what you want and Pep wants the keepers to be able to kick accurately and quickly, which is a trait that Joe was sadly poor on.
Maybe Bravo will be better next season. But Willy hasn't signed a new contract. Don't even know if he's been offered a new contract. With Gunn being touted for a loan, will we get a new number one next season and a Bravo drops to number 2? Or becomes a cup keeper?
I think if Pep has gone to the lengths of dropping a keeper he bought as his No.1, he's not only accepted he made a mistake with his purchase, not necessarily with loaning out Joe, and will look to buy another No.1 who can start plays the way he wants them to and probably keep Bravo as back up and try and work on his issues.
Guess we'll see in the summer....but Pickford's kicking was awful, so not sure he'll be on his radar. Like I said, if he wants a keeper that is proven to do everything brilliantly, you've only really got the likes of DeGea, Lloris and Neuer.....but what about Rulli?
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We've been unlucky a few times with deflections, but we've had some pretty poor defending too.
Hart may flap at the odd one, but Bravo flaps at a lot. Maybe we can only remember the bad stuff he's done, but there's a lot to choose from.
I disagree with you bluey. Mybe Pep does covert a keeper that can pass out above anything else. Most of us would take a keeper that can deal with crosses properly, is a great shot stopper, fantastic at one on ones etc. whose kicking out is poorer.
How many goals have we scored from kicking out? How many goals have we let in due to poor keeping? What's the net result?
Hart may flap at the odd one, but Bravo flaps at a lot. Maybe we can only remember the bad stuff he's done, but there's a lot to choose from.
I disagree with you bluey. Mybe Pep does covert a keeper that can pass out above anything else. Most of us would take a keeper that can deal with crosses properly, is a great shot stopper, fantastic at one on ones etc. whose kicking out is poorer.
How many goals have we scored from kicking out? How many goals have we let in due to poor keeping? What's the net result?
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- I could probably say 3, maybe 4 goals from poor keeping - the rest were down to shite defending from the defenders and MF's.....but we'll never know how many goals that Willy or Bravo's quick, accurate kicking will have contributed to, as we don't tend to score directly from a keeper.Topdawg wrote:We've been unlucky a few times with deflections, but we've had some pretty poor defending too.
Hart may flap at the odd one, but Bravo flaps at a lot. Maybe we can only remember the bad stuff he's done, but there's a lot to choose from.
I disagree with you bluey. Mybe Pep does covert a keeper that can pass out above anything else. Most of us would take a keeper that can deal with crosses properly, is a great shot stopper, fantastic at one on ones etc. whose kicking out is poorer. But we're just fans, we're not the Manager - that is the point I'm trying to get across. It doesn't matter what we think, it all comes down to how Pep wants to play - and if 'we' think we're smarter than a Manager who has won 21 trophies in 7 years, still in for 3 trophies this season.....then we should all get our badges and try and do what he's doing.
How many goals have we scored from kicking out? How many goals have we let in due to poor keeping? What's the net result?
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We got a goal last week from Wully's kick out. Which was actually a poor kick out rescued by Yaya's sliding tackle before being passed onto Silva, Raheem and Aguero for the goal.
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So Pep encouraging kicking out from the back is a good thing?
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We were lucky bluey. I've said it before that it does draw teams on and, if we can pass it out riskily, it does open them up for our counter attacks. So the principle is good but maybe out exponents aren't up to making it work.
But it does cost us goals too like Wully's poor kick out against Monaco or helping Bravo get himself sent off against Barca.
But it does cost us goals too like Wully's poor kick out against Monaco or helping Bravo get himself sent off against Barca.
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I agree Dawg...but Pep seems happy for mistakes to be made in light of us doing what he thinks will make us a better, more attacking team.
Guess it'll be better when we get some quick, younger FB's in the summer as well.
Guess it'll be better when we get some quick, younger FB's in the summer as well.
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I'd much rather sterling and sane make mistakes up top rather than our keeper. But, maybe it had to be this way to change our mentality. We haven't seen this before really and it takes time getting used to. Maybe in 3 years time it'll be part of our new DNA
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I started something last night. When finished, I'll post it on here.
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Sound like the title of a Smiths song...
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yes I agree joe would have been brilliant Blue and in all honesty I have seen joe make even better saves, Swansea v Fernandez Messi v Barcelona i could go on & on, so I do honestly feel he could have got it. Like I said it is only my opinion and I couldn't give a flying fig if you agree or not. I am not going tp lose any sleep over it & at the end of the day i'm happy with my assessment that we could be 9 pts at least better off.
You are quite entitled to your opinion & I certainly respect that & do not knock you for it. But knowing you are wrong is my solace
You are quite entitled to your opinion & I certainly respect that & do not knock you for it. But knowing you are wrong is my solace
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Re: How on earth can Joe Hart be 3rd or 4th choice at City???
After the debate about Bravo's goals, I went through all his games from the United one up to the EFC one where he actually let in a goal or goals (not the one's where he had a clean sheet)....and watched all of the goals conceded when he was in net.
I decided to make a Youtube clip just for this thread. I looked at them objectively, wondering whether I wasn't being critical enough of him, considering some on here were saying he's cost us points - and that we'd be nearer Chelsea if he didn't make so many mistakes.
I've edited them into a video - which I'll post on here, as it's just saving and then loading to Youtube.
I've added the following: Y=yes N=no M= maybe....my opinion after watching them several times as to whether he was at fault for the goal.
I revised my scores several times because it's easy to just say "ahh, it went through his legs, so he should have saved it"....but then we see this from all keepers every week, especially if a player is 8 yards away and blasts it - you've no idea or time to adjust to where the ball might go.
My overall take on watching these videos, is that more often than not, the goals aren't Bravo's fault, some are definitely his and some are hard to judge so got a maybe.....too many factors come into play and what's to say another keeper would have saved it anyway?
What it did highlight was just how poor are defence was when we went through that bad patch. Also, some of the videos were inserted as a whole, as they showed all the goals, so you get some repeats - so was easier to leave in rather than edit it.
I didn't have time to search all of the best quality one's from Youtube, I literally just grabbed the first one that played and shoved it in, so as you know, sometimes, the screen isn't full, meaning you don't get see all of what's happening, but a replay should show you, apart from one Palace goal.
Anyway, will post it later when it's uploaded.
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Very good work bluey, practising already
It's all subjective whether we think he should have saved the 50:50s or whether Joe would have.
Joe would have given us more confidence for starters.
But I'll agree, the defence have been woeful at times. I watch some of them coming back and I just think they are being lazy.
I played at a very very low level but I gave everything on the pitch. I gave, sometimes, more than I had to give (if that's possible).
I ran as hard as possible to get back when needed rather than 3/4 pace or jogging as some of ours seem to be. I feel I can see when players aren't putting everything in or they pretend to be involved when they really aren't. I see it in Sergio at times when he pretends to close down but isn't really.
It's all subjective whether we think he should have saved the 50:50s or whether Joe would have.
Joe would have given us more confidence for starters.
But I'll agree, the defence have been woeful at times. I watch some of them coming back and I just think they are being lazy.
I played at a very very low level but I gave everything on the pitch. I gave, sometimes, more than I had to give (if that's possible).
I ran as hard as possible to get back when needed rather than 3/4 pace or jogging as some of ours seem to be. I feel I can see when players aren't putting everything in or they pretend to be involved when they really aren't. I see it in Sergio at times when he pretends to close down but isn't really.
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Nah, it's a very very rough edit.....had no time to do anything with it, as it takes an age to save, then upload to Youtube. Nearly finished saving now, then I'll upload it and post it on here.
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We all know that the best all round solution to this problem is for Joe & Pep to have a chat and then for Pep to be the bigger man and admit he made an error and kiss and make up.
NEVER going to happen, that would mean Pep admitting that the first big decision he made on joining the club was a huge mistake. It would mean welcoming Bravo aboard with a big fanfare as one of the top keepers in the world, fell flat on its face and leaves Pep with egg on his face.
So the only possible solution is to a) carry on with Willy as first choice unless Bravo improves (which i doubt) or b) sign another good keeper in the summer.
To me the second option, signing another good keeper as his number 1 is still admitting that he made a mistake letting Joe go and that Bravo isn't good enough, he's got a problem Pep has painted himself into a corner and he is going, at some point, to have to admit he got it wrong.
Signing another top keeper also means either Bravo or Willy will become 3rd choice keeper, probably Willy.
Willy has not even been offered a new contract and is bound to leave one way or another in the summer if a new keeper is signed.
NEVER going to happen, that would mean Pep admitting that the first big decision he made on joining the club was a huge mistake. It would mean welcoming Bravo aboard with a big fanfare as one of the top keepers in the world, fell flat on its face and leaves Pep with egg on his face.
So the only possible solution is to a) carry on with Willy as first choice unless Bravo improves (which i doubt) or b) sign another good keeper in the summer.
To me the second option, signing another good keeper as his number 1 is still admitting that he made a mistake letting Joe go and that Bravo isn't good enough, he's got a problem Pep has painted himself into a corner and he is going, at some point, to have to admit he got it wrong.
Signing another top keeper also means either Bravo or Willy will become 3rd choice keeper, probably Willy.
Willy has not even been offered a new contract and is bound to leave one way or another in the summer if a new keeper is signed.
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I think Bravo has been a poor replacement but I fully understand the reasoning for replacing Joe with a keeper with better quality football skills.
I do think we forget just how poor Harts distribution was and it just never improved,which it really should've done if he'd worked at the weaknesses in his game such as his weakness low to his left
I don't have much sympathy for him but I don't imagine any of our keepers or fullbacks for that matter will be first choice next season
Currently at wetherby services heading to boro and it's a sea of City fans,god knows how many tickets we've got,seems loads more people than usual?
I do think we forget just how poor Harts distribution was and it just never improved,which it really should've done if he'd worked at the weaknesses in his game such as his weakness low to his left
I don't have much sympathy for him but I don't imagine any of our keepers or fullbacks for that matter will be first choice next season
Currently at wetherby services heading to boro and it's a sea of City fans,god knows how many tickets we've got,seems loads more people than usual?
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Agree Rich....I think apart from Stones, and maybe Kolorov, the whole defence and keeper situation will be different.
Enjoy the game!!
Enjoy the game!!
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I wouldn't have complained if we'd actually improved upon joe, but we didn't. If he'd gone for a young keeper that he could mould, I'd have understood better. Like stones may well be a very decent defender, he's got a lot to learn first.
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I agree that Joe's distribution needed improvement but his shot stopping particularly in one on one situations was pretty good.
So on the basis that Hart and Bravo dont have both qualities would you prefer a keeper who keeps the ball out of the net but not as good at passing or one who passes the ball better but is woeful at making saves?
Personally i would prefer Joe, surely he could learn to play it out using his team-mates?
So on the basis that Hart and Bravo dont have both qualities would you prefer a keeper who keeps the ball out of the net but not as good at passing or one who passes the ball better but is woeful at making saves?
Personally i would prefer Joe, surely he could learn to play it out using his team-mates?
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I think the question is what I said yesterday - it's what Pep wants, playing out from the back and I don't think he's too bothered if we made the odd mistake.
If Joe can't distribute it how he wants him to, then it's going to be a non-starter. It;s not just playing a ball to a full back 10 yards away, it's receiving it back, possibly playing back across to the other full back or waiting for the chance to play it 25-30 yards, accurately, to a MF player or winger.
Lloris, DeGea, Courtiois (to a certain degree) and Neuer are probably the best in the world at doing it and can also shot-stop as well.
If Joe can't distribute it how he wants him to, then it's going to be a non-starter. It;s not just playing a ball to a full back 10 yards away, it's receiving it back, possibly playing back across to the other full back or waiting for the chance to play it 25-30 yards, accurately, to a MF player or winger.
Lloris, DeGea, Courtiois (to a certain degree) and Neuer are probably the best in the world at doing it and can also shot-stop as well.
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But we dont have Lloris, DeGea or Courtois, i know they were only examples, so he has to make the choice from what he has got, including Hart, or sign another in the summer.
Either way, with at least a couple of new defenders the whole defence is going to look totally different next season, hopefully.
Either way, with at least a couple of new defenders the whole defence is going to look totally different next season, hopefully.
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Plays alright for me on here.
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tough luck mate. they were quick and after you put all that effort in.
I'll accept that it probably does show our defence leaving him open, but I;m sure it also shows his positioning to be poor.
Look at today when he came out to a through ball and he slid in to kick it away rather than go in with his hands to claim the ball. He's no keeper and never will be.
I'll accept that it probably does show our defence leaving him open, but I;m sure it also shows his positioning to be poor.
Look at today when he came out to a through ball and he slid in to kick it away rather than go in with his hands to claim the ball. He's no keeper and never will be.
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Just re-inserted into this thread and checked on youtube and its working fine.
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Works on my iphone as well.
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Today was a much better performance from Bravo. I just wish he would stop pissing about playing a ball out to toure in the centre of the goal facing him all it needed was a slip & there were a fair number of them or a boro player to nick the ball ala dembele v everton last week & we would have been up shit creek. his two long kicks out of his hands found touch / no different to what Joe was criticized for??? He really gives me no confidence. Why does it take 6 passes from around our box to end up exactly where we started from?????
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That's the way they want to play Oz.....
It draws several players into them, so they can play beyond them directly into MF or out wide....sorry, but's fairly obvious why they do it, even if I agree, on occasions, it's heart-fluttering.
It draws several players into them, so they can play beyond them directly into MF or out wide....sorry, but's fairly obvious why they do it, even if I agree, on occasions, it's heart-fluttering.
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Sorry well I guess I am never going to see the point of 6 passes starting from point (a) to end up at point (a) with the chance we could lose the ball with a sloppy pass & end up conceding when it was totally in necessary. The only thing it draws usually is a mistake from us as they close down quick or a panic pass to get it away.
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I Should have added if we had a more competent keeper & full backs who are a bit quicker I might just be able to see the point a bit more.
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Agree with the full backs....but what mistakes happened yesterday from playing that way? Or against Stoke?
Is that 11 unbeaten now?
Is that 11 unbeaten now?
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Out of interest - does that video work for you Oz?
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MEN are suggesting that bravo will be number one again next season and we'll have wilshere too. He'll replace yaya and Fernandinho!!!!!
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It wouldn't surprise me with Bravo...but Wilshere????
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No it doesn't blue I just tried it this afternoon about 09.00am your time.
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I do have all the games on usb so I will have to check them again.
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Cheers Oz, I'm off to Brussels now, but will have a look if I can re-do later this evening.
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Think Pep has kinda already admitted his 1st big decision was a huge mistake & has mucho egg on his face as Willy is now his preferred GK choice.He keeps trying to big Clownio up but still plays Willy in the PL & CL ... thankfullyManCityMan wrote:NEVER going to happen, that would mean Pep admitting that the first big decision he made on joining the club was a huge mistake. It would mean welcoming Bravo aboard with a big fanfare as one of the top keepers in the world, fell flat on its face and leaves Pep with egg on his face.
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Re-instating Hart would be a slice of humble pie too much though.
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Re-instating Hart would be a massive mistake.
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Agree, if we are building a team for the future Hart is too old now
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I don't think it wd b a mistake It would show the fans he can put his hands up and admit mistakes Jo cd work on his distribution & even tho he may not be as good as Clownio on the ground he is an infinitely better GK
Not gonna happen tho. I'd imagine Pep already has a younger replacement No 1 GK in mind
Not gonna happen tho. I'd imagine Pep already has a younger replacement No 1 GK in mind
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Pep's downfall for me, is not being ruthless enough. He didn't rate Hart to produce the passing out from the back that he wanted. Fair enough - he seems to have sacrificed a better shot stopper for 2 keepers that are better with the ball at their feet.
What he should have done was add to the defenders in the summer and get rid of 2 or 3 of them....but that would have meant a full overhaul of the team from back to front.
He's tried to appease the players, fans and club by giving some of the old-timers, a chance to prove their worth....without upsetting the dynamic of the dressing room. That will definitely change this summer. I think you'll see him be more ruthless to get the players 'he' wants who fit into his style of play.
I honestly don't care who he gets rid of in the defence, except for Zaba.
Vinny has been a great Captain, but he's been far too injury prone for 2 years, so it's hard to be sentimental with him. Zaba is still proving his worth, and as I said the other day, he'll be 10 years at the club so deserves a testimonial.
Otamendi, Kolorov, Clichy, Sagna and Vinny can all leave in the summer for me......
What he should have done was add to the defenders in the summer and get rid of 2 or 3 of them....but that would have meant a full overhaul of the team from back to front.
He's tried to appease the players, fans and club by giving some of the old-timers, a chance to prove their worth....without upsetting the dynamic of the dressing room. That will definitely change this summer. I think you'll see him be more ruthless to get the players 'he' wants who fit into his style of play.
I honestly don't care who he gets rid of in the defence, except for Zaba.
Vinny has been a great Captain, but he's been far too injury prone for 2 years, so it's hard to be sentimental with him. Zaba is still proving his worth, and as I said the other day, he'll be 10 years at the club so deserves a testimonial.
Otamendi, Kolorov, Clichy, Sagna and Vinny can all leave in the summer for me......
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TMG wrote:I don't think it wd b a mistake It would show the fans he can put his hands up and admit mistakes Jo cd work on his distribution & even tho he may not be as good as Clownio on the ground he is an infinitely better GK
Not gonna happen tho. I'd imagine Pep already has a younger replacement No 1 GK in mind
If Joe couldn't stay and work on his distribution when he could have stayed and fought for his place, why would Pep want him back now? Agree though, think he'll have his eye on a younger keeper - and Donnarumma looks the one who we should get if Neuer won't leave Bayern.
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Even if Joe kept 20 clean sheets in Italy and had a 100% pass success rate, Pep wouldn't get him back. And he's really not too old at, what, 29 or 30?
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Think we have to trust in Pep.
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We all trust in pep i'm sure of that. I certainly do not have the qualifications to dispute Pep's managerial record, and i'm sure he is trying to do the best for the team & of course the owners who put their trust in him. I just personally believe his judgement on Joe was a little hasty.
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So you want to keep Toure then?
Otamendi, Kolorov, Clichy, Sagna and Vinny can all leave in the summer for me......
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Thought that was a given that he's off!!
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