ISIS...inhumane group of sadists

This is everyone's war. Without wanting to go back and look to point the finger of blame too much, but how did these guys ever get into such a position of power, both financially and militarily?

Who has supported them? Which governments, and that includes Western governments, have given them aid or assistance?

I don't want to watch this sort of stuff. I don't believe we should allow this stiff to be available and it should be a criminal offence to watch it, even for 'journalists'. We are allowing the terrorists to laugh heartily by the number of 'hit's or 'views' they get.

We really do need to look within ourselves, or governments, and ask ourselves why we allow such situations to exist whereby these guys gain such popularity that once decent westernised kids go off to support them offering to lay down their lives supporting their crazy aims.

If the truth ever got out, it would make unpalatable reading.

Where do we start?

Who are they?

Isis is the English acronym for the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, a Sunni jihadist group whose sudden capture of Mosul, Tikrit and extensive swaths of Iraqi territory triggered a new crisis, complete with atrocities targeting Iraqi army soldiers and volunteers. Known in Arabic as Da'ash, it grew out of the Islamic State in Iraq, an al-Qaida affiliate which, in turn, came into existence after the 2003 US-led invasion.
The leader or emir (prince) of Isis is a 43-year-old Sunni, known Abu-Bakr. He was held prisoner by US forces from 2005 to 2009. US military sources have quoted him as saying when he was released from Camp Bucca in Iraq: "I'll see you guys in New York." According to some accounts he was radicalised by his experience of captivity. But others describe him as having been a firebrand preacher under Saddam Hussein's rule. He studied at the University of Baghdad, and was listed as a terrorist by the UN in 2011.
It is a measure of Baghdadi's success and charisma that Isis has become the group of choice for thousands of foreign would-be fighters who have flocked to his banner. Late last year, he announced the creation of a new group that would be merged with a rival al-Qaida affiliate active in Syria, Jabhat al-Nusra. That was disputed both by Nusra and Osama bin Laden's successor as the leader of al-Qaida "central", the Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahiri. Baghdadi, who has been described as more extreme than Bin Laden, refused an order from Zawahiri to focus the group's efforts in Iraq and leave Syria alone.
In the areas of Syria it controls, Isis has set up courts, schools and other services, flying its black jihadi flag everywhere. In Raqqa, it even started a consumer protection authority for food standards. It has established a reputation for extreme brutality, carrying out crucifixions, beheadings and amputations.
Estimates of Isis numbers range from 7,000 to 10,000. Its rank and file members are drawn from fighters who were previously with al-Qaida, some former Ba'athists and soldiers of the Saddam-era army. What is far harder to quantify – and a highly significant question – is how much support the group has from Iraq's wider Sunni community, the people who lost their power and influence when Saddam was overthrown.
Isis now presents itself as an ideologically superior alternative to al-Qaida within the jihadi community. As such, it has increasingly become a transnational movement with immediate objectives far beyond Iraq and Syria.


Where does Isis get its money from?


Since the end of 2011, Islamic charities and rich individuals in the gulf have been funding insurgent groups in Syria. As the role of Islamist groups within or linked to Jabhat al-Nusra and Isis has grown, many of these donors have directly or indirectly provided money that reaches jihadist organisations. Much of the charity-based and private fundraising for the insurgency in Syria focuses on particular areas of the country, most of which involve jihadists.
Until late last year, it was possible to find the international depository banking details for donations. Now this has been replaced by mobile phone contact information and WhatsApp accounts used to coordinate donations and sometimes even physical street addresses from where the money is collected.
Isis has secured massive cashflows from the oilfields of eastern Syria, which it had commandeered in late 2012, some of which it sold back to the Syrian regime. It has also made money from smuggling raw materials pillaged in Syria as well as priceless antiquities from archeological digs. Isis took $36m from al-Nabuk, an area in the Qalamoun mountains west of Damascus, including antiquities that are up to 8,000 years old.
Computer sticks taken from an Isis courier by Iraqi forces before the fall of the northern city of Mosul revealed that Isis – before the city's capture – had cash and assets worth $875m (£516m). After the fall of Mosul, Isis looted the banks and captured military supplies that have boosted the group's coffers to about $2bn, according to Iraqi officials.
Gulf donors support Isis out of solidarity with fellow Sunnis in Syria as President Bashir al-Assad has unleashed his military to crush opposition to his rule. The US has tried to put pressure on the governments in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Qatar to crack down on funding for extremist groups, but these regimes say donors are justified in backing rebel forces in Syria because the US failed to act against Assad, especially when he crossed the "red line" laid down by President Barack Obama with the use of chemical weapons.

The whole middle east is fucked up, that's all I know. I don't know which piece of 'factual' information to believe - there is so much propaganda seemingly from all sides.

Medieaval fuckwits the lot of them they have no idea how to live or behave in a modern society. Sharia law is like something out of Arabian Nights owning women? beating them and treating them like dogs? publicly flogging people or cutting their hands off? These people need to drag themselves into the fucking 21st Century.
We are so concerned about Human rights here, prisoners in our prisons are claiming their human rights are being violated because they cannot vote in elections or watch TV? Unbelievable, they should try living in a muslim state under sharia law

The sunni's hate the sheite's and visce versa and they all hate the Israelis who hate all of them and are always fighting with the Palestinians etc etc 

It's a catch 22 situation. We have the HR law which separates us from the likes of ISIS and countries who still stone women for adultery or throw men from the highest building in the city for being gay.

However, the HR law is now used by the very people who behave despicably in society as way of easing their hardship when found guilty of a crime.

True - try stealing in Saudi Arabia. Try walking down the streets of Syria, Iraq or dare I say a UAE state proclaiming Islam as the devil and demanding a Christian state for all...and see what would happen.

That's the problem - the Human Rights Law, or The European Convention on Human Rights was introduced in the early 50's.

It was the Labour government that decided to draft in the European Convention into domestic law in this country around 1997/8.

And it's become worse and worse since then with additional drafts included in 2001 etc.

Although nobody seriously wants a UKIP governement...do they?...Sometimes you just want some of their more radical policies to be introduced especially regarding immigration. Leaving the EU would probably be a mistake economically but the again i would love to tell them to shove their HR legislation and the way we have to bail out other countries like Greece who's new anti-austerity government have just voted to shelve their payback of the bail out !!!!
Straying a bit off the original subject here sorry

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2941123/Jordan-s-air-force-fly-home-town-pilot-murdered-ISIS-returning-sortie-Syria-nation-s-king-visits-mourning-family.html

Bit of payback. I like the way they've used mainly women who loaded the ordinance and writing messages on them.

A woman kills a Mulsim man - the man doesn't go to heaven because of the shame.