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Post by Topdawg Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:22 am

Is that really necessary?
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Post by blueboy Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:12 pm

It's the press sadly....it's what sells.
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Post by Topdawg Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:56 am

I'd like to think that most people wouldn't want to see those pictures. It really doesn't add to the story and invades their private grief. I saw pictures on the bbc website.
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Post by blueboy Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:53 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3297871/Russian-passenger-plane-220-tourists-board-missing-Egypt-Fears-aircraft-crashed-Sinai-desert.html

ISIS claiming this video proves they shot it down. Not so sure, guess we'll see, as the aircraft will have clear evidence of fire etc.
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Post by ManCityMan Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:37 pm

Very sad and tragic for so many families. We live in a very sick world, however, it's difficult to avoid the feeling of irony if this plane was downed by terrorists after Russia's involvement with the Dutch plane in Ukraine.
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Post by blueboy Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:14 pm

And the apparent supporting air strikes for Assad - targeting innocent Syrians, doing ISIS' job for them. Shocked
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Post by Topdawg Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:56 pm

too many people in power are fucked up.

Now you have the airline, who've quickly changed their name, saying that an external force caused the plane to break up in the air.

They wouldn't be trying to deflect blame as any report won't be out for a while will they?
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Post by blueboy Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:28 am

Not great if they have suspended flights indefinitely from Sharm.

Suggests they have intelligence on an 'insider' threat at the airport and that more attacks are planned.
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Post by Topdawg Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:27 pm

They just can't take the risk. It's unheard of to ban flights from a country isn't it?
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Post by blueboy Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:06 pm

Not really Dawg. 

You have to remember, our DfT (which is now not a Government entity, but part of the UK CAA), have to not only look after the security of our airports, but those airports that Brits fly to (on the whole). Completing Security audits, writing enforcement notices if an overseas airport doesn't come up to scratch etc.

Problem is, if the audit is announced, what do you think happens?

That's why covert audits are carried by DfT Inspectors on overseas and UK airports. They have the power to suspend, revoke airport licences, suspend flights etc if they feel an airport isn't stringent enough to secure the safety of British travellers and the Government will tell airlines "you don't allow flights into that country until further notice", which then effects tourism in that country until a change is brought about.

Obviously, it's not as simple or straightforward as that - but that is basically what happens.

The fact that the UK are the only country to outwardly suggest it was an IED planted on board - suggests that the information has come through intelligence, rather than actual evidence from the aircraft wreckage at this point, but maybe (and the evidence in pictures suggests also), they have had access to the CVR/FDR and the wreckage and it's fairly clear that an IED has caused the crash.
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Post by blueboy Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:10 pm

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If you see the way the fuselage is twisted outwards, it suggests that a blast/force etc created that - rather than a simple aircraft break-up.

Aircraft skin, doesn't peel outwards like that, even with a rapid decompression, it tears apart.
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Post by Topdawg Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:02 pm

haven't the US banned flights from there as well?
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Post by blueboy Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:26 pm

Netherlands and Germany definitely have.

Russia still sending tourists there!!
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Post by Moonchester Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:27 am

Russia are still trying to pick a fight, so I doubt the they will be daft enough to hit a second plane..
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Post by blueboy Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:53 am

Think about what you've just said Moon... Wink
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Post by Moonchester Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:04 am

the they I'm referring to is the terroristy type people..
although they are daft, so anything is possible..

I do think Russia are looking for a nailed on excuse though..
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Post by Topdawg Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:03 am

Russia could just steam in there with some ground troops now. Kick out ISIS and prop up Assad.
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Post by shakencity Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:17 am

Topdawg wrote:Russia could just steam in there with some ground troops now. Kick out ISIS and prop up Assad.
Tbh, i really don't know why Russia haven't decided to kick ISIS' butt for this. That said, i don't know why other countries haven't already got together to kick the living shit out of um.
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