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Man stabbed 15 times...
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
It's fucking crazy what people will do these days over literally nothing. I'm a big advocate of longer sentences.
Topdawg- Legend
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
I'm close to that line of thinking but would it act as a deterrent or would it push some desperados into doing more bad stuff knowing they were a dead man anyway?
Topdawg- Legend
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
Not sure, all I know is this:
1. Most criminals start off with things like petty theft from a young age. That progresses into more serious crimes when they realise that the chances of any serious punishment is non-existent, due to over-crowding in our jails. When you see offenders getting 'tagged' even after they have committed 200+ burglaries, where's the deterrent?
2. Life doesn't mean life any more. Murder is classified into too many categories. On average, a sentence for murder will mean the guilty person will serve between 7-9 years in they behave, then once released, 7% will murder again.
Inside prisons, they are allowed TV's, access to laptops/PC's....where's the 'hard' time in that?
It's a difficult one. USA has armed Police, yet there are more gun crimes than countries who don't arm their Police.
If we, as tax payers, are funding the average cost of £35,000 pa of a prisoners stay in a UK prison, then I want those who have offended, broke the law of the land, to be served with an experience that will stop them re-offending...however, re-offending occurs in over 50% of the prison population on release.
1. Most criminals start off with things like petty theft from a young age. That progresses into more serious crimes when they realise that the chances of any serious punishment is non-existent, due to over-crowding in our jails. When you see offenders getting 'tagged' even after they have committed 200+ burglaries, where's the deterrent?
2. Life doesn't mean life any more. Murder is classified into too many categories. On average, a sentence for murder will mean the guilty person will serve between 7-9 years in they behave, then once released, 7% will murder again.
Inside prisons, they are allowed TV's, access to laptops/PC's....where's the 'hard' time in that?
It's a difficult one. USA has armed Police, yet there are more gun crimes than countries who don't arm their Police.
If we, as tax payers, are funding the average cost of £35,000 pa of a prisoners stay in a UK prison, then I want those who have offended, broke the law of the land, to be served with an experience that will stop them re-offending...however, re-offending occurs in over 50% of the prison population on release.
blueboy- Legend
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
I agree bluey, time shouldn't be easy - it should be a deterrent as well as offering some rehabilitation. Your sentence should be your sentence. If you behave you get out at the end of your sentence. Good behaviour means you get out.
Commit pre meditated murder? Minimum of 25 years. Do something worse? Never ever get out.
Commit pre meditated murder? Minimum of 25 years. Do something worse? Never ever get out.
Topdawg- Legend
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
What could be worse though? Who decides what's worse than pre-meditated murder?
Example:
1. A drug gang decide to execute a rival. 25 years?
2. A paedophile targets a young girl, rapes and kills her. 25 years?
You could say 2. gets life and that means life....but at £35,000pa to keep them locked up, if the person was 30yrs old, that's going to cost us over £1m to keep them locked up forever with no chance of release. Why not execute them?
Technology is now so sophisticated, with DNA advancements every year, 'beyond reasonable doubt' is easier to determine.
Example:
1. A drug gang decide to execute a rival. 25 years?
2. A paedophile targets a young girl, rapes and kills her. 25 years?
You could say 2. gets life and that means life....but at £35,000pa to keep them locked up, if the person was 30yrs old, that's going to cost us over £1m to keep them locked up forever with no chance of release. Why not execute them?
Technology is now so sophisticated, with DNA advancements every year, 'beyond reasonable doubt' is easier to determine.
blueboy- Legend
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We are rich enough as country to lock them up for life. take away some home comforts and it shouldn't cost £35k pa to 'look after' them. Take away some of the ghastly profit element from selling contracts to private suppliers, and we'd save a chunk more money.
Halve the foreign aid we give away and we could build a few new hard core prisons.
Halve the foreign aid we give away and we could build a few new hard core prisons.
Topdawg- Legend
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But that's common sense Dawg.
Be interesting now Cameron is thinking of abolishing the EU's stance on The Human Rights Law in the UK.
Maybe this will allow a tougher stance on how prisons are run and offenders are treated if successful.
Already, I read that Liberty's Director, Shami Chakrabati is already up in arms, saying innocent and vulnerable Muslims will be targeted if this goes through.
My simple reply is this: If you've nothing to hide or done nothing wrong, why worry?
The Human Rights Act has been a source of 'comfort' for these groups/offenders and it's used at every turn by their solicitors.
Be interesting now Cameron is thinking of abolishing the EU's stance on The Human Rights Law in the UK.
Maybe this will allow a tougher stance on how prisons are run and offenders are treated if successful.
Already, I read that Liberty's Director, Shami Chakrabati is already up in arms, saying innocent and vulnerable Muslims will be targeted if this goes through.
My simple reply is this: If you've nothing to hide or done nothing wrong, why worry?
The Human Rights Act has been a source of 'comfort' for these groups/offenders and it's used at every turn by their solicitors.
blueboy- Legend
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Overcrowded prisons is a nonsense,build more of them to alleviate the problem them give offenders proper sentences to make them think twice about reoffending
There shouldn't be time reduced for good behaviour either,just add more time on if they've been a cunt inside
There shouldn't be time reduced for good behaviour either,just add more time on if they've been a cunt inside
Paulpowersleftfoot- Key Player
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
Maybe make the prisoners work whilst inside, paying them minimum wage (otherwise we'd have problems) and then make them pay for their keep.
It's an idea that I haven't thought through, but we need to do something about the cost and them having so much 'free time'.
Earn money to pay for meals. Don't work? Then you get the bare minimum. Want some chips? Pay the going rate for them out of the money you get for the work you do.
It's an idea that I haven't thought through, but we need to do something about the cost and them having so much 'free time'.
Earn money to pay for meals. Don't work? Then you get the bare minimum. Want some chips? Pay the going rate for them out of the money you get for the work you do.
Topdawg- Legend
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
Thing is, they do work Dawg....but gardening etc.
Get them building, rock smashing like they did in the old days...proper hard graft. They'd be that knackered on return to their cell, they'll just sleep, rather than watch tv, play PS4 etc...or, dip into each others cells to skin up.
Get them building, rock smashing like they did in the old days...proper hard graft. They'd be that knackered on return to their cell, they'll just sleep, rather than watch tv, play PS4 etc...or, dip into each others cells to skin up.
blueboy- Legend
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
This is what's wrong with all this "human rights" shit.....the fuckers have it far too easy inside.
Agreed, the death penalty for severe offences should be brought back....society doesn't need scum like that walking the streets and i for 1 am loathed to pay to keep the fuckers locked up for life.
Oh and as said, none of this "early release for good behaviour" crap either. 10yrs mean 10yrs and not a day before, if you dick about inside the term just gets extended.
The British justice system's a joke....and all the scumbags of Britain know it.
Agreed, the death penalty for severe offences should be brought back....society doesn't need scum like that walking the streets and i for 1 am loathed to pay to keep the fuckers locked up for life.
Oh and as said, none of this "early release for good behaviour" crap either. 10yrs mean 10yrs and not a day before, if you dick about inside the term just gets extended.
The British justice system's a joke....and all the scumbags of Britain know it.
shakencity- Cult Hero
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Re: Man stabbed 15 times...
There's two things wrong with the justice system in this country and, were I elected as PM, I'd rectify these with immediate effect.
1. Human Rights.
Piss easy, this one. Everybody has the right to live their life without being oppressed in some way and I wholeheartedly support that right. But if someone chooses to abuse another person's human rights, then they should have theirs revoked, without hesitation. I don't see how a person who is willing to dismiss the human rights of other people should then turn around and demand theirs. They shouldn't have any, end of.
If you're found guilty of a crime which affects the human rights of another person, such as assault, rape, murder or even fraud, then your rights as a human are revoked. End of.
2. Penal System
The current system of imprisonment is bollocks. People commit a crime and then are bundled away into a cosy prison, with access to education, libraries, decent toilet facilities, entertainment, heat and water, with an exercise programme and staff who are duty bound by law to protect the inmates. And all for the princely sum of sod all.
Then we have another subset of the population: OAPs. They work hard for 50 years, saving up their pension for their old age. Then something unfortunate happens and they have to go into the care system. This system dumps the unfortunate into a room where they spend a sizeable chunk of their time, with no interaction with anyone else. They have access to a lounge with a small television which is available to them for maybe a couple of hours a day. There's no exercise programme, no learning facilities, no other entertainment. Their rooms have no facilities other than a bed and, if they are immobile, they are effectively imprisoned until a member of staff comes to their aid. Staff who are only now expected to have a CRB check. And for this, they have to hand over their pension, any savings and their house!
So why should a senior citizen who has never broken the law, always paid their way and deserves a decent end to their life be treated like a prisoner, when actual prisoners get treated better? I know people who live hand to mouth on council estates, surviving on almost nothing, not turning on the boiler because they can't afford it - and they must, to a man, think about going inside because it'd be a step up in their standard of living.
So here's my fix: Put the OAPs in the prisons, and the prisoners in the nursing homes.
I've got others, but I won't bore you with my prison reform manifesto
1. Human Rights.
Piss easy, this one. Everybody has the right to live their life without being oppressed in some way and I wholeheartedly support that right. But if someone chooses to abuse another person's human rights, then they should have theirs revoked, without hesitation. I don't see how a person who is willing to dismiss the human rights of other people should then turn around and demand theirs. They shouldn't have any, end of.
If you're found guilty of a crime which affects the human rights of another person, such as assault, rape, murder or even fraud, then your rights as a human are revoked. End of.
2. Penal System
The current system of imprisonment is bollocks. People commit a crime and then are bundled away into a cosy prison, with access to education, libraries, decent toilet facilities, entertainment, heat and water, with an exercise programme and staff who are duty bound by law to protect the inmates. And all for the princely sum of sod all.
Then we have another subset of the population: OAPs. They work hard for 50 years, saving up their pension for their old age. Then something unfortunate happens and they have to go into the care system. This system dumps the unfortunate into a room where they spend a sizeable chunk of their time, with no interaction with anyone else. They have access to a lounge with a small television which is available to them for maybe a couple of hours a day. There's no exercise programme, no learning facilities, no other entertainment. Their rooms have no facilities other than a bed and, if they are immobile, they are effectively imprisoned until a member of staff comes to their aid. Staff who are only now expected to have a CRB check. And for this, they have to hand over their pension, any savings and their house!
So why should a senior citizen who has never broken the law, always paid their way and deserves a decent end to their life be treated like a prisoner, when actual prisoners get treated better? I know people who live hand to mouth on council estates, surviving on almost nothing, not turning on the boiler because they can't afford it - and they must, to a man, think about going inside because it'd be a step up in their standard of living.
So here's my fix: Put the OAPs in the prisons, and the prisoners in the nursing homes.
I've got others, but I won't bore you with my prison reform manifesto
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