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Paulpowersleftfoot- Key Player
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The sheer quality of Pep Guardiola's side has encouraged anti-football in the top flight
HOW do you stop the unstoppable Manchester City?This is a conundrum that has perplexed the finest managerial minds, and David Moyes, in recent weeks but it’s important to remember that it first had to be established that this extraordinary side was uncontainable.
Prior to that, yer Watfords and Stokes dared to commit men forward, entrusting their attacking menace as much as their defensive shape, and by doing so left gaps ahead of their back-four that were perfectly ordinary against ordinary fare but to Sane, Sterling and De Bruyne was akin to sticking out your jaw to Tyson in his prime. Inevitably – in hindsight at least - they were punished for their orthodox thinking; spanked on a weekly basis by score-lines that evoked cigarette cards and handlebar moustaches.
Retreat! That was the collective cry that then went up way back in October and the next opponents in the firing line Burnley and West Brom duly ceded two thirds of the pitch and stationed bodies in a carapace when not in possession of the ball, which was pretty much all of the time. They looked to suffocate space and ‘get in City’s face’, testing their fortitude as much as their ability to plot intricate courses and when the right opportunities presented themselves both sides strove for the sucker punch. This was classic trench warfare, tried and trusted through the decades, when facing a superior foe, so it’s little surprise that the Clarets and Baggies caused Guardiola’s men problems on occasion, even if the results were ultimately never in doubt.
At this point, and with City now starting to tear chunks of pages out of the record books while exhibiting magical football that was confounding in its impact and complexity, it was perfectly understandable if forthcoming opponents threw up their hands in despair because they were clearly damned if they did and damned if they didn’t. Go toe-to-toe and they would surely be pulverised. Defend in great numbers and City wore you down with a speeded up Chinese water torture of relentless passes and darted movement.
Enter stage left, wheeled in curled into the foetal position, Huddersfield Town. I was highly critical of David Wagner’s attempts at extreme nullification back in late November and by being so, people were highly critical of me. I stand by every word. “But if they had gone gung-ho Huddersfield would have lost 5-0 or 6-0’ was the commonest response, a point that I entirely agree with, which is precisely why I didn’t suggest for an instant that the Terriers open up to such a self-destructive extent. Yet, by rigidly sticking to a 6-4-0 formation throughout this was timidity too far, a strategy traditionally only deployed by non-league sides paired in the cup away to a top six behemoth. For a Premier League club to be so devoid of ambition at home to another Premier League club was a step too far, a level of protective obstruction we don’t see anywhere on the continent when Bayern, Barcelona or PSG come to town. This was not a failed attempt at rope-a-dope such as we saw from Burnley and West Brom. This was Huddersfield refusing to get up off their stool.
If I stand by every word, it is also true to state that I regret my comments immensely but only because I jumped the gun and concentrated my ire towards the first culprit to play dead. Huddersfield may have lost that Sunday afternoon but they exasperated City to the point of panic, with the Blues requiring a fortuitous late development to continue their winning streak. So it was that a third option materialised: the shutting up of shop and refusing to come out and play.
We can debate until the cows come home to what extent teams are obliged to entertain in the modern era. Personally I would put forward that given the exorbitant ticket prices demanded and the bottomless well of wealth each club has been lavished with to purchase the finest talent around all twenty Premier League clubs are at least obligated to utilise their strengths whenever possible, strengths, incidentally, that include firing up a passionate fan-base to inspire them on. Yet in recent weeks we have witnessed a slew of teams park the proverbial bus against City and give the driver a 90 minute fag break, a retreat into defeatism that is illustrated by a rather startling stat. Overall this term Manchester City have enjoyed 71% of possession from their twenty games. Yet with the exception of Spurs and Manchester United (who were rightfully panned for their negativity but at least offered up problems for City to solve) that possession has risen to 78% since Huddersfield sought only to minimise the damage rather than inflict any themselves.
Does this suggest too that City are improving week on week? No, the reverse is actually true. Injuries and fatigue have resulted in performances declining from other-worldly to mortal brilliance as the winter slog takes hold. Against Newcastle on Wednesday evening they were missing John Stones and not only their primary left-back, who cost them the price of a striker but also the midfielder who reinvented himself as his short-term replacement. Ten minutes in and their influential leader Vincent Kompany departed the action, a miss that was as potentially pertinent as their absent orchestrator-in-chief David Silva. Kevin De Bruyne meanwhile toiled with jellied legs.
How utterly bizarre then that Newcastle, riled up by a ferocious support full of festive cheer, were content only with 22% of possession and presumably less in territory. How strange that Rafa Bentitez chose to keep his most potent attacking threats idle on the bench. This, remember, is a club that used to delight in tearing into United back in their heyday and as deadly as City have been this term nobody can tell me that Beckham, Cantona, Giggs, Scholes, and the like didn’t pose equitable danger.
What this cornucopia of cowardice has resulted in is a stream of training ground exercises consisting of attack vs defence. There are no competitive games to be found and all too little drama and now finally others are beginning to see this too. Afraid of their product, Sky pushed Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville forward this week to condemn the standard and mentality of supposedly the greatest league in the world, while journalists too have jumped on board. Yet, if I was guilty of being quick-fire, perhaps they are all a little late to the party because there is a suspicion that such defeatism is due to run its course anyway. For one thing continuous defeats endured by Newcastle, Bournemouth, Swansea, West Ham, Southampton and Huddersfield reveal the futility of such an ultra-defensive approach; that amounts to suicide by increments. For another self-interest will heighten as the season progresses, meaning goal difference against a side they were not expected to beat becomes less of a concern to actually accumulating points against anyone, whoever they may be. Perhaps too teams will tire of City lording it over all and sundry and look to stick it to them. After all, what have they got to lose?
If all this signifies that option three is losing its relevance then what is left available for opponents to try in order to halt the unstoppable machine in Blue? To stick it to them. Sadly we are already seeing the answer in Harry Kane’s stamp on Raheem Sterling, and Dele Alli’s ankle rake intended to cause serious harm to De Bruyne, not to mention Jacob Murphy’s disgustingly high lunge on Ilkay Gundogan this week. Prior to City’s trip to the north east Newcastle’s captain Jamaal Lascelles openly admitted it was his side’s intention to get ‘physical’. Murphy was certainly that.
Following City’s routine victory over Swansea a fortnight back Danny Murphy was outraged on Match of the Day at the hosts’ sense of fair play. Where were the yellow cards? Where were the fouls? That’s how you stop them. That’s how you literally hurt them. His disgraceful comments partner those of Paul Pogba from a few weeks before. The only way City could be denied a third Premier League title, he intoned, was for their key players to endure serious injury.
This season Manchester City have unveiled the very best of what football can offer. In trying to counter that it has only brought out the very worst in everybody else. Wishing injury on others; trying to inflict injuries on others; and refusing to come out and play. If this is what the Premier League amounts to then topping it in May will not actually be that big an achievement after all for Pep Guardiola’s fantastical side.
Paulpowersleftfoot- Key Player
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Cant see Palace being ultra defensive. With their attack they will fancy their chances of getting something
TMG- Key Player
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I don’t think it’s a complete coincidence that both Jesus & Kin’s poor form coincides with teams becoming ultra defensive & effectively playing dead.
Strange Blue- Regular Starter
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Think both Aguero and Jesus have been pretty poor lately. Got told by Esteemed Kompany, that "how can you call their performance poor?".......I told him, "it's more like 'shite" but wanted to be seen as objective!!
Both have been way off the pace lately. Yes, Aguero scored 2 against Bournemouth, but against Newcastle, he was awful. Even EK said in his video..."Jesus was non-existent"...so come January, I really hope we do sign Sanchez for £30m....get a massive amount of pressure on these two, as they've been average this season.
Both have been way off the pace lately. Yes, Aguero scored 2 against Bournemouth, but against Newcastle, he was awful. Even EK said in his video..."Jesus was non-existent"...so come January, I really hope we do sign Sanchez for £30m....get a massive amount of pressure on these two, as they've been average this season.
blueboy- Legend
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Jesus has scored 2 in 16....that's Benteke-type of form.
blueboy- Legend
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My point is that there lack of form came at the same period of time, strikers can be nullified when teams pack 11 behind the ball. If I’m right then both of them will do better when we face teams like Liverpool & Bassel in the CL.
Strange Blue- Regular Starter
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Doesnt seem to have been a problem for Raheem
I dont think Aguero has been shite. He's been getting himself in the right position time and time again & is working his balls off. Just his finishing has been off key
I dont think Aguero has been shite. He's been getting himself in the right position time and time again & is working his balls off. Just his finishing has been off key
TMG- Key Player
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Sterling is a different kind of player & has got us at least 12 points this season because he can operate in less space. Notice I said “strikers” can be nullified. While defenders concentrate on the likes of Kun it leaves space for Sterling & others to find a way through. Sánchez who has had a very poor season compared to our front line & is busy disrupting the Arse dressing room isn’t a solution for January IMO.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/29/alexis-sanchez-frustration-dressing-room-bust-up
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/29/alexis-sanchez-frustration-dressing-room-bust-up
Strange Blue- Regular Starter
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both run and jesus have had chances and blown too many. I think raheem is scoring with 35% of his chances ie 1 in 3. Serge is in the low 20s I think.
Topdawg- Legend
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My prediction based on the above is that either Kun or Jesus will score against both Liverpool & Basel, but will have poor results against the lesser teams we play between those games. Not that it really matters at the end of the day as long as someone scores & we pick up 3 points along the way.
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Agree with TMG here. I actually thought Kun had a really good game against Newcastle. he was in the right places and bar a worldy from the keeper and a post he would have been on the score
sheet. He ran his socks of closing down and I honestly thought it was his best game in a long while. It seemed as though he was showing all the fans that the garbage coming from lazy journalists about him not being good enough for pep was just that. Garbage. Jesus has been a little off the boil, but this his 1st full season in the premier league and now half way through and playing twice as many games as in Brazil it is catching up with him. Remember he is only 20 and this is his 1st stint outside of his native south America.
It is different too in so much as when a lot of Brazilians leave their home land for the 1st time they seldom come straight to England where there is no winter break so it is probably a culture shock as well to play 10 games in 32 days if you include the game on the 29th of November. I agree he hasn't played in all but he still would have to train stay fit and be ready for action at any time.
sheet. He ran his socks of closing down and I honestly thought it was his best game in a long while. It seemed as though he was showing all the fans that the garbage coming from lazy journalists about him not being good enough for pep was just that. Garbage. Jesus has been a little off the boil, but this his 1st full season in the premier league and now half way through and playing twice as many games as in Brazil it is catching up with him. Remember he is only 20 and this is his 1st stint outside of his native south America.
It is different too in so much as when a lot of Brazilians leave their home land for the 1st time they seldom come straight to England where there is no winter break so it is probably a culture shock as well to play 10 games in 32 days if you include the game on the 29th of November. I agree he hasn't played in all but he still would have to train stay fit and be ready for action at any time.
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Jesus has just been a hard working Itchy for me. Off the top of my head, when we had then space to get to the byline or break with pace, he’s been in the right place for tap ins. He’s worked hard, done the press well but he misses lots of chances.
Serge has worked hard enough but he’s missed chances too. The good thing about serge is that he scores from outside the box and with dribbles too.
But, if you’re only scoring from 1 in 4 or 5 decent chances, that’s not good enough.
As teams have decided to stay fully at home recently, we’ve not had the space to get in behind or break in the devastating fashion we were used to earlier this season.
So maybe we’ve not had as many clear cut chances for serge or Jesus. Which is why they need to be much more clinical.
Serge has worked hard enough but he’s missed chances too. The good thing about serge is that he scores from outside the box and with dribbles too.
But, if you’re only scoring from 1 in 4 or 5 decent chances, that’s not good enough.
As teams have decided to stay fully at home recently, we’ve not had the space to get in behind or break in the devastating fashion we were used to earlier this season.
So maybe we’ve not had as many clear cut chances for serge or Jesus. Which is why they need to be much more clinical.
Topdawg- Legend
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The fact is though we are creating 15 to 20 chances a game look at how many we have scored, our average is above 3 per game & prior to Newcastle we had 3 games on the bounce scoring 4 goals. I know we all love to see 5 or 6 every week but realistically we can score all over the pitch so I think we are doing just fine and are not as reliant as say united are on Lukaku or spurs are on kane. Should the goals dry up in other areas then yes we may have a problem, but honestly I don't see that happening.
skyblueoz- Cult Hero
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so long as the ball goes in the back of the net, it doesn't matter who puts it there..
Aguero made a couple of nice chances the other night, hit the post a couple of times unlucky not to score.
Jesus had a couple of nice flicks and touches but nothing much else.
but as a team we got the goal and the points..
Aguero made a couple of nice chances the other night, hit the post a couple of times unlucky not to score.
Jesus had a couple of nice flicks and touches but nothing much else.
but as a team we got the goal and the points..
Moonchester- Key Player
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Sorry Oz...when you are one of the most lethal strikers in PL history and miss the chances he did against Newcastle...your performance deserves to be called shit. It's OK calling his performance great, when it is...but when he misses his chances like he did...shit is shit. I love Sergio....but he was awful in front of goal....and Jesus has been poor, simple as. Agree with Dawg....he's not effecting games like he should be doing...I don't care about his age or playing for Brazil....if that's the excuse, fair enough, rest him.skyblueoz wrote:Agree with TMG here. I actually thought Kun had a really good game against Newcastle. he was in the right places and bar a worldy from the keeper and a post he would have been on the score
sheet. He ran his socks of closing down and I honestly thought it was his best game in a long while. It seemed as though he was showing all the fans that the garbage coming from lazy journalists about him not being good enough for pep was just that. Garbage. Jesus has been a little off the boil, but this his 1st full season in the premier league and now half way through and playing twice as many games as in Brazil it is catching up with him. Remember he is only 20 and this is his 1st stint outside of his native south America.
It is different too in so much as when a lot of Brazilians leave their home land for the 1st time they seldom come straight to England where there is no winter break so it is probably a culture shock as well to play 10 games in 32 days if you include the game on the 29th of November. I agree he hasn't played in all but he still would have to train stay fit and be ready for action at any time.
blueboy- Legend
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did I miss the part where his second onto the post was the deftest of fingertips from the keeper...
an awesome save and he got no credit for that..
an awesome save and he got no credit for that..
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Therefore, without the deftest of touches...chances are it wouldn't have gone in anyway.
blueboy- Legend
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it was going in bluey, would have been inside of the post without the save... and it was up there the reach to get to it when Serge drifted inside between 2 defenders and smashed it..
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Not sure...just watched it again and it looks like it may have hit the post anyway....semantics.
Wonder if he'll keep his place for tomorrow?
Wonder if he'll keep his place for tomorrow?
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Sorry blue but I will tolerate Sergio missing a coupled of chances as like all strikers he is human. Everyone is sucking up to kane coz he is scoring for fun ok!!! but he still hadn't scored in august & they were all saying how bad he was now he is the darling coz he is scoring. then when he goes through another lean patch we all will say how shit he is . Strikers have lean spells and good spells, Sergio is no exception. If you really believe Sergio was shit on Wednesday night then I am afraid you will never be satisfied as your expectations seem to have surpassed reality. Everyone is entitled to an off day & with regards to jesus the reasons I gave are common sense & mitigating circumstances. We seem to expect these players to come in hit the ground running and adapt like they have been here all their lives. This continuation of us winning seems to be dividing expectations between us the fans. I am just happy with the way we are playing scoring more goals than the rest of the prem leading by 15 points and we are not into the new year yet. We are not making excuses just getting on with the job. Finally I will conclude by saying you as a fan have every right to your opinion but I think you are totally wrong and after listening to the fans on cheesy's blog at the end of the match at Newcastlethey seemed to have watched the same game as me.
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All I’ll add is that, just because some people go to more games than us, doesn’t make their opinion more valid
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Oh fuck off Dawg...that's not necessary.
Both of you...stop being so fucking mard.
Sergio had a crap game, shit game, poor game...call it whatever doesn't upset you.
I never said "Sergio is a shit player"....I simply had an opinion that he didn't play very well...in fact, he had a shit game as a striker who missed 3/4 chances.
Really? You two are going to get all precious because I said he had a shit game?
Both of you...stop being so fucking mard.
Sergio had a crap game, shit game, poor game...call it whatever doesn't upset you.
I never said "Sergio is a shit player"....I simply had an opinion that he didn't play very well...in fact, he had a shit game as a striker who missed 3/4 chances.
Really? You two are going to get all precious because I said he had a shit game?
blueboy- Legend
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And as for you Oz..."tolerate" all you like.
blueboy- Legend
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Get your dick out of your ass and read what I’ve written properly. I do believe that I’ve marked players down this season. Serge scoring with 20% I’d chances to raheem’s 35% success rate and I’ve said Jesus is a hard working Itchyblueboy wrote:Oh fuck off Dawg...that's not necessary.
Both of you...stop being so fucking mard.
Sergio had a crap game, shit game, poor game...call it whatever doesn't upset you.
I never said "Sergio is a shit player"....I simply had an opinion that he didn't play very well...in fact, he had a shit game as a striker who missed 3/4 chances.
Really? You two are going to get all precious because I said he had a shit game?
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and I agreed with you!! Not sure Jesus is a hard working Itchy, but I get your sentiments.Topdawg wrote:Get your dick out of your ass and read what I’ve written properly. I do believe that I’ve marked players down this season. Serge scoring with 20% I’d chances to raheem’s 35% success rate and I’ve said Jesus is a hard working Itchyblueboy wrote:Oh fuck off Dawg...that's not necessary.
Both of you...stop being so fucking mard.
Sergio had a crap game, shit game, poor game...call it whatever doesn't upset you.
I never said "Sergio is a shit player"....I simply had an opinion that he didn't play very well...in fact, he had a shit game as a striker who missed 3/4 chances.
Really? You two are going to get all precious because I said he had a shit game?
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So who is that statement aimed at? Cheesy's fan base?Topdawg wrote:All I’ll add is that, just because some people go to more games than us, doesn’t make their opinion more valid
blueboy- Legend
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yep. i've never said I was the brightest when it comes to analysing football, but some people in the stands make me look like a footballing einstein.
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‘‘Tis but a lovers tiff again
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End of year blow-out...
blueboy- Legend
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You wish!blueboy wrote:End of year blow-out...
Topdawg- Legend
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Said blow-out, not blow-job!!
blueboy- Legend
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We all know what you meant!
Topdawg- Legend
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well I will tolerate all I like as this is the best season and best football i have seen city play in 52 years whether or not you agree with me is entirely your prerogative. However what I will say is if after 52 years this is the best I have ever witnessed and you are still not satisfied then I think you are going to have an eternally long wait to see your vision become reality if at all.
some of the comments on cheesy's blogs are what the genuine fans believe to be true, if that is their opinion so be it, If they differ from mine it doesn't mean they are less valid. Believe me dawg some of your comments over the years have led me to believe if you know anything about football. Likewise i'm sure I have pointed out something which will make you wonder if I have ever seen as game in my life before.
Anyway enough of this
Happy new year to every one I hope you all have a peaceful & Prosperous 2018
some of the comments on cheesy's blogs are what the genuine fans believe to be true, if that is their opinion so be it, If they differ from mine it doesn't mean they are less valid. Believe me dawg some of your comments over the years have led me to believe if you know anything about football. Likewise i'm sure I have pointed out something which will make you wonder if I have ever seen as game in my life before.
Anyway enough of this
Happy new year to every one I hope you all have a peaceful & Prosperous 2018
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some of the comments on cheesy's blogs are what the genuine fans believe to be true, if that is their opinion so be it, If they differ from mine it doesn't mean they are less valid.
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Think you summed it up with that statement Oz.
Happy New Year fella.
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Think you summed it up with that statement Oz.
Happy New Year fella.
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As for watching the best ever....I would agree up to the end of November...but I don't think we've been anywhere near where we were from Aug-Nov. In fact, I think we've been pretty average compared to that period. Yes, the results have been amazing, but the football hasn't been consistently amazing IMO since.
In fact, I'd go as far to say....I think we've been over-hyped by the media. Result-wise no, performance-wise, yes.
In fact, I'd go as far to say....I think we've been over-hyped by the media. Result-wise no, performance-wise, yes.
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